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Uchiha's Dark Past
Topic Started: Jul 28 2007, 03:28 PM (8,833 Views)
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This is some stroung evidance i've found out about the truth of Madara and the Dark History of the Uchiha Clan.

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Hyuuga clan is one of the oldest clans in Konoha. They have been there ever since the establishment of the hidden village. Many years ago there was a girl from Hyuuga clan who fell in love with an outsider. She decided to marry herself to the young man despite the strong protests from her own clan. But this man was no ordinary human. In fact, this man was not a human at all. His name was Sojobo. He was the King of Tengu.

There are two types of tengus, Karasu tengu (a crow-like creature with beak and wings) and Konoha tengu (also known as Yamabushi tengu). Sojobo was a Konoha tengu. He had long nose and white hair with a pair of black wings on his back. As the King of Tengu, Sojobo possessed some very mystical powers. He carried a fan made of Fatsia leaf that could create a storm (therefore people sometimes call this type of leaf as Tengu no Uchiwa or Tengu¡¯s fan). He could teleport himself or any other things from one place to another. He could also communicate with people telepathically or even invade their minds and drive them to madness. Besides, Sojobo was also known for his shapeshifting ability. He sometimes transformed himself into human to interact with people.

Anyway, this girl from Hyuuga was in love with Sojobo taking the human form without knowing his true identity. She married him shortly after they met each other. A year or two later, she was pregnant and gave birth to their first son. Sojobo named this son Uchiha, Uchiha Madara, after Uchiwa which means fan. And of course as we know, fan also later became the symbol of this new clan.

Everything was good. Uchiha Madara soon grew up to become a very powerful shinobi. He not only inherited the Kekkei Genkai from his mother but with the Tengu blood inside him the Byakugan had evolved into an even more dreadful form¡ªthe Sharingan! This new bloodline had 2 levels: Normal Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan. Like his tengu father, Madara possessed some incredible magical powers. He was able to use telepathy to invade people¡¯s minds, or even teleport himself across a short distance. When he turned on the Mangekyou Sharingan (he had the normal Sharingan on 24/7 just like his Hyuuga kin), the eyes would further intensify his powers and bring him even closer to a tengu form. He had developed 3 jutsus under this state, namely Tsukiyomi (to control people¡¯s minds and drive them insane), Amaterasu (to teleport objects into another dimension)* and Susanoo (to create a storm like that created by a Tengu¡¯s fan).

*You might be confused about this: when was it stated that Kakashi¡¯s MS jutsu is Amaterasu? Well it has never been stated, it¡¯s just another of my bold speculations. To make long story short,

1) Tsukiyomi¡ªGod of the Moon
Full moon is usually related to going insane in urban legends. (Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Sasuke on a full moon night. Coincidence?)

MS Tsukiyomi: Drives people insane.

2) Amaterasu¡ªGoddess of the Sun
Our Sun is a huge fireball. Its matter can warp the spacetime around it that produces an effect which we call gravity (In fact all matter can warp the spacetime around it, to a certain extent). Although our Sun doesn't have enough mass to form a blackhole, other more massive stars can, after their deaths (in a spectacular way called supernova explosion)

MS Amaterasu: Teleports things to another dimension by warping the spacetime, leaving a dark fire that will burn for 7 days and 7 nights to destroy the surroundings.

*A point supporting this is that Kakashi used his left eye to cast the jutsu and Amaterasu was born from the left eye of Izanagi.

3)Susanoo¡ªGod of the Storm

MS Susanoo: Creates a storm?

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Telepathy?
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Sasuke invaded Naruto¡¯s mind

Teleportation?
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Something to think about: Uchiha Shisui was feared as ¡±Shunshin no Shisui¡± but was it really the D-rank jutsu Shunshin that he mastered or was it something else¡­

Because of his bravery and almost unparalleled powers, Madara soon became a hero in his people¡¯s eyes despite his young age. He became very close friends with Shodaime and together they took up the responsibility to protect the Konoha village they established. Madara founded the first police force in the Konoha and swore to protect his people with his life.

But good things do not last long. As Madara was about to reach his adulthood, Sojobo began to reveal his true intention. Sojobo didn¡¯t marry the girl from Hyuuga out of love. He was only looking for a perfect body, a container (probably to achieve greater powers), and he figured the best way was to create one with his own blood. He was planning on taking over Madara¡¯s body once he reached his adulthood. It didn¡¯t take Uchiha Madara long to find out this appalling truth. He felt a mixture of shock and anger. He felt he was being used but he wasn¡¯t going to give in such easily, at least not without a fight. But Madara knew only too well that no matter how strong he was he stood no chance against the King of Tengu. Out of desperation he sought for the legendary Bijuu¡ªKyuubi (the God of Fire).

Kyuubi was very impressed by Madara¡¯s abilities. A secret pact was made and Kyuubi agreed to lend his power and chakra to Uchiha Madara. Soon Madara mastered the katon and he could even cast a dark fire that would burn for 7 days and 7 nights after performing the Amaterasu. But even with these newly gained powers and a huge supply of chakra from the Kyuubi, Uchiha Madara was only able to beat his demon father by a hair's breadth. He couldn¡¯t finish him once and for all but only managed to seal him up. However, the seal he used was a very special one. To break the seal it requires the Kyuubi's chakra and also not one but 3 Uchiha members who can wield the Mangekyou Sharingan. Each MS user has to cast a different MS jutsu at the same time and when the 3 jutsus--Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo--combine, the great evil will be unleashed. It's a tall order and Madara thought it would be enough to seal up the demon for eternity. But what Madara didn¡¯t anticipate was that this seal itself would bring a bloody massacre upon his own clan many decades later¡­

Here I will derail a bit and talk about the relationship between Shodaime and Madara. When Shodai found out about the secret pact between Madara and Kyuubi he was enraged. He thought it was hunger for greater power that led his best friend to the Kyuubi. Madara didn¡¯t explain to him either because he didn¡¯t want anyone to know he was a half-demon. Conflicts began to appear between the two who were once close to each other. The intense hostility eventually resulted in a great battle at the Valley of the End. (You might think that I depicted Madara as too strong a character and therefore feel skeptical about Shodai being able to rival both MS and Kyuubi¡¯s power at the same time. Well you better not forget that Shodai had the ability to suppress Kyuubi¡¯s chakra and his darkness jutsu and suiton might be very good counter-moves to Madara's Sharingan and katon respectively as well.)


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OK, have a look at these 2 pictures
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Sasuke stood on Uchiha Madara¡¯s statue while Naruto stood on Shodai¡¯s

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Sasuke fell on the eye of Uchiha Madara¡¯s statue

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Alright, now back to the main story. Many years had come into past since Sojobo was sealed. The tengu¡¯s blood in Uchiha clan was now no longer as pure as it once was. It was gradually being ¡°diluted¡± by constant marriages with non-Uchihas over the generations. Now even the Normal Sharingan was possessed by only the elite few among Uchihas, let alone the Mangekyou Sharingan. But the dark history of the clan was anything but forgotten. A tengu shrine was built underneath the Nakano temple by some of the early Uchihas to keep all the secrets of the clan inside (including killing your loved one to gain MS which was discovered by some later Uchiha). Once an Uchiha member was thought to be reliable enough he would be informed about the secret meeting place and it would then become his life-long obligation to keep these secrets from outsiders. The Uchihas considered this dark history as an unspeakable shame and swore to protect the glory and dignity of their clan with their lives no matter what happened.

20 years ago, a new member was born into an Uchiha family. He soon proved himself to be a prodigy, even by the high standards of the Uchiha. He graduated at the top of his class at age 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10 and an ANBU squad leader at 13. His name was Uchiha Itachi. As Itachi was selected to become an ANBU his father Fugaku felt that it was the right time to tell him everything. Itachi learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and the origin of his clan from his father. Deep inside his mind, an evil shadow began to take shape¡­

One night, when all men of Uchiha were supposed to gather at the secret meeting place two of them were absent. Itachi lured his best friend Uchiha Shisui to the Nakano river and started his horrendous plan. He assaulted and killed Uchiha Shisui on that night and obtained the accursed eye powers¡ªMangekyou Sharingan from the death of his friend. The next day when people found Uchiha Shisui¡¯s body they also found a suicide note grabbed in his hand. But of course this note wasn¡¯t really written by Shisui. Itachi forged his handwriting with the Sharingan to make it look like a suicide. What was written on the note is important because it reflects Itachi's feeling at that time.

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I cannot walk out the ¡°path¡± any further? What ¡°path¡± was Itachi talking about?

Perhaps these will give you a better idea
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You hold onto your organization, your clan, your name¡­These things limit us and our capacities¡­These things deserve to be shunned¡­It¡¯s foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know!!

I¡¯ve lost all hope for this pathetic clan.


Always living with fear¡ªfear that people may find out the secrets of their clan, fear that people may know Uchihas are actually descendants of demon¡ªthey all swore to take the secrets with them to the graveyard. This was the miserable life of every Uchiha member. Itachi was tired of all these. He could see no future for his clan. He didn¡¯t understand why his people felt ashamed of their own past. He didn¡¯t understand why his people didn¡¯t see their superiority to the normal human beings. He didn¡¯t understand why his people decided to seal up such a great power and not to use it. Itachi had lost all his hope for the Uchiha clan because of the pathetic ¡°path¡± they had chosen.

From the moment Itachi heard about the origin of his clan he felt a weird sense of pleasure and superiority. He felt he was somehow more special than the others. Then his sick and twisted mind had gone even further. He wanted to set the tengu free. He was willing to sacrifice his body in exchange for probably the strongest power the world had ever seen. He was ready to offer his body to the Tengu King.

Soon Itachi had put his thoughts into action. When he learned about the Akatsuki¡¯s plan to capture the Bijuus he decided to join them. He needed their help to get the Kyuubi¡¯s chakra. But that¡¯s not all. Itachi still had to find another 2 MS users. After awhile, he came across a second MS user who agreed to help him carry out his plan. Now all he needed was the third and last MS user.

Itachi knew his clan members would never kill their loved ones to get MS. He despised them. They were a bunch of cowards, useless ¡­oh wait, Itachi suddenly came up with an idea¡ªhe could still use them to achieve his purpose. He could use them to make his little brother the third MS user¡­

On a full-moon night, the ancient blood inside Itachi finally awakened and he had completely lost his mind. He killed his entire clan including his parents. Then he waited for his little brother Sasuke to come home. He wanted him to know he was the one who did it. He used Tsukiyomi on his brother to make sure such a traumatic picture would stay with him for the rest of his life. He wanted Sasuke to hate him. He wanted Sasuke to hate him enough to kill his own friend and activate the Mangekyou Sharingan. He told him about the secret meeting place so that he would find out everything. He wanted Sasuke to take the path he had paved for him¡ªthe path of an avenger...


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Itachi said it was to measure his capacity/container

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Itachi told Sasuke the requirement to activate the Mangekyou Sharingan

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Itachi told Sasuke the reason he let him live was because of his potential to become the third MS user

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Sasuke found out the secrets of his clan inside the Tengu shrine

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A closer look at the Tengu shrine. Notice the 2 tengu images on the walls.

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Hints or Coincidences?

You decide it yourself.


1) Konoha tengu (left) and Karasu tengu
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2567/na...4mqinane3gl.png
Sojobo, the Tengu King
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Blue...Other/Tengu.png

2) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/893/nar...pngSasuke's Room(Official proof that Kishi is evil)
What? You didn't notice anything unusual? Take a http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5526/ma...rittenguec1.jpg Closer Look
There are 5 katakanas on that scroll:Tengu Uchi. There should be a sixth katakana below which is either wa or ha.

Oh, there is also a tengu plushie hidden somewhere in that room. Please find it.

3)Tengus are said to emanate from the primordial Japanese god of sea and storm Susanoo, Susanoo was the brother of Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu.

4)Uchiha Shrine Wallpaper
(One-toothed sandal)?

Also there is a bit on the posture of that creature.

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Perching
On one foot: Shows that a bird feels comfortable in his surroundings and secure in his environment. A secure bird will sleep with one foot tucked up to his abdomen and his head turned around and tucked into his back feathers


Tengu is not exactly a bird but it's bird-like, so they may have similar behaviours. Also as pointed out by Quonina, many birds sleep on one foot. It probably implies that the tengu is "sleeping" or currently in a dormant state while being sealed up.

5)Sometimes tengus are depicted with a flute and a magical gourd with endless sake (Thanks to QuoNina).

Chapter 15 cover
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2650/na...151481498qi.jpg

6)We can see that in the secret room at the temple of Nakano that near of the tengu picture there are two flames.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/3163/scannarbl2kp2.jpg
Or we can see that Hinata, who is a member of the principal hyuuga family, got the same flames on her clothes
That can be prove that the uchiwa clan descend from the hyuuga clan because we have the picture of the tengu and the symbol of hyuuga family in the secret room of the uchiwa clan. That go in the sense of your theory who say that the uchiwa clan result of the mix of the tengu and the hyuuga clan.

7) Compare the fans in these 2 pics
http://www.aisf.or.jp/~jaanus/deta/data_im...tengu.jpgSojobo image
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6069/naru...jpgSasuke's fan and armguard (with a Hyuuga emblem on it)

8)Tengus are said to be crow-spirits. When Itachi used a genjutsu on Naruto, Naruto saw him turned into a flock of crows.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/179/v29ch259lq045sn.png

9)http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4016/narutoch197p08le4.png
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Neji: I still couldn't detect the last bird (crow).

Neji failing to see the last crow was a hint on how that Hyuuga woman failed to see through the King of Tengu, thus allowing the possibility of the Uchiha clan being born?

10)We all know that many character's names in Naruto have their special meanings. They are usually related to some characteristics of the characters. For example, "Uzumaki" means "spiral".
Here, guess what does "Kakashi" mean in Japanese. It means http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7066/kakashiis0.png Scarecrow Who is the "crow"? Sasuke? Itachi? Or some other Uchiha?

11)Sasuke riding a bird with white hair and clothes!
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3250/naruto0101028fq.jpg

12) Ancient Japanese legend states that the Ninja clans descended from a creature called Tengu, a half-man-half-crow hybrid with the power to alter nature and the minds of men.

This will give you some idea why Kishi may use this odd-looking creature in Naruto.

13)Karasu tengu can make a sound like thunder clapping when they fly overhead.

Perhaps this was how the idea of chidori came about?

This is some realy good evidance about Madara and Twisterd history of Uchiha

IT TOOK ME FOR EVER TO GATHER AND POST IT TO YA, SO THANK ME :p

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First of you triple posted =/

2nd That is either copied or fake.

3rd - Lame story

4th Hatake - Field of
Kakashi - Scarecrow

5th About 8 images don't work

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*You might be confused about this: when was it stated that Kakashi¡¯s MS jutsu is Amaterasu? Well it has never been stated, it¡¯s just another of my bold speculations. To make long story short,

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bold? Another? Seriously? That whole statement was retarded

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I refuse to believe any of this other than that which is stated fact. Not by you. Otherwise we'd all believe Naruto was real, we could preform jutsu's. And many other things.
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I had to triple post.

I dont know why the images dont work.

Dont call me retarded. i dont call you names in your belives.

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YEAH MIKE Y U ACTIN LIK DAT YO GIRFREND!

Lol.

No, I don't believe it either but don't disrespect.
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I've got alot of evidance. and even more. just like what i've been telling ya on MSN Curpt

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I never bashed you.

I said the statement was retarded.
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Mike
Jul 28 2007, 10:55 AM
I never bashed you.

I said the statement was retarded.

If the statment is retarded, then it must take a retard to make write it. plus you've always been bashing me <_< all of yous'.

I got vitual evidance, you guys have nothing.

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Mike
Jul 28 2007, 10:55 AM
I never bashed you.

I said the statement was retarded.

If the statment is retarded, then it must take a retard to make write it.

haha, even THAT statement is retarded
dont try to redirect a word towards you
calling something stupid, retarded w/e, doesnt mean you are
i have a smart friend that did something stupid, is he? no he was the smarted kid in our class
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I think someone is taking the fictional story of Naruto a litle too seriously and reading in to it far too deeply.

but I can see how this is a possibility, but I think enjoying the story is far more enjoyable than creating theories which may or maynot be true.

I call people retards all the time when they do something stupid or drop something, even my self, it might not be PC* but I like the word.

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So much of that is speculation it isn't funny. We don't know anything about some Hyuga woman falling in love, or anything. I don't even want to read past the beginning because that is where one has to speculate.
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the tengu demon thing reminds me of tekken 5 when Jin is a Demon
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ive never insulted your theries :D

lol

but i think this may be true

but in the latest manga 364 maybe

it shows that the pein and the girl were talking

to tobi
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Jul 28 2007, 05:48 PM
ive never insulted your theries :D

lol

but i think this may be true

but in the latest manga 364 maybe

it shows that the pein and the girl were talking

to tobi

A.K.A Uchiha Madara.
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